This article provides findings from our dual-computational/qualitative analysis of r/Stoicism, a large subreddit in which self-presenting boys and men seek Stoic philosophical advice on various life matters. In choosing to investigate this decidedly (hetero)masculinized online space in which users share their anxieties and grievances, we expected to find substantial evidence of “toxic” manosphere-style discourse, while also hoping to uncover counter patterns which, like Maloney et al.’s study of 4chan, complicate assumptions around the discursive practices of boys and men in online spaces such as these. Rather, what we found was a complete absence of toxic discourse, and instead the presence of patterns which complicate the logics underpinning efforts at deradicalization and wider socio-positive masculinity agendas. Thorburn’s work has been important in foregrounding how the “neoliberal emphasis on individualism and a capitalist ‘hustle-culture’” underpin manosphere logics. Here, we see similar, albeit more palatable (to mainstream sensibilities), neoliberal tenets at work across counter logics, and reflect on why economic-structural explanations for boys’ and men’s anxieties are sidelined in such mainstream responses to the manosphere.

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“即使我得到了不公平的待遇，我也可以选择做一个好人”：新自由主义异性男子气概作为r/斯多葛主义中的马诺圈反叙事


本文提供了我们对 r/Stoicism 的双重计算/定性分析的结果，r/Stoicism 是一个大型 Reddit 子版块，其中自我展示的男孩和男人在各种生活问题上寻求斯多葛主义哲学建议。在选择调查这个明显（异质）男性化的在线空间（用户在其中分享他们的焦虑和不满）时，我们期望找到“有毒”马诺圈式话语的实质性证据，同时也希望发现反模式，如马洛尼等人。对 4chan 的研究使有关男孩和男人在此类网络空间中的话语实践的假设变得复杂化。相反，我们发现完全不存在有毒话语，而是存在使去激进化和更广泛的社会积极男性气质议程的逻辑复杂化的模式。索伯恩的工作对于强调“新自由主义强调个人主义和资本主义‘喧嚣文化’”如何支撑马诺圈逻辑具有重要意义。在这里，我们看到了类似的，尽管更容易接受（主流情感）的新自由主义原则，它们跨越了相反的逻辑，并反思了为什么对男孩和男人焦虑的经济结构解释在对马诺圈的主流反应中被边缘化。